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Re: Rumeurs - Tour de France 2018

Messagepar wawan » 22 Sep 2017, 14:31

Nico32 a écrit:
Klira a écrit:
Abiboulga a écrit:edit avec le petit texte en anglais : " Updates from #TDF2018 rumors
After World ITTs a "new" ITT came out on the newspapers, in Lens, the day after the probably cobbled stage
Alps "shifts" by one day, with La Rosiere and Alpe d'Huez
No Ventoux anymore :(
Pyrenees should be three mountain stages + one flat stage + the final CTT in Arette. Alternative rumored is an ITT in Oloron
Tourmalet and Alpe d'Huez secured 100% in the route."

Et re EDIT, le liens sur leur site avec leur profil : https://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/maps/tours/view/6579


Mon Dieu les tracés des étapes sont infectes. Des horreurs pures à part celui d'Annecy-La Rosière. J'espère que le gars se plante allègrement. :mrgreen:

Y'a des trucs qui sortent presque de nulle part. Genre le cronoscalata la veille de l'arrivée, je n'y crois pas une seconde :mrgreen: (et ce serait la pire idée possible pour le spectacle du week-end et des jours précédents)

J'aime beaucoup le délire Vielha - Loudenvielle, c'est tellement nimp :lol:
Et puis le lendemain d'une arrivée au Tourmalet on partirais de Saint Pée sur Nivelle, parceque pourquoi pas après tout :shock: :moqueur:

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Re: Rumeurs - Tour de France 2018

Messagepar Svam » 22 Sep 2017, 14:41

Ah mais comme leur proposition change quotidiennement, ils en ont sorties des dizaines comme ça. :mrgreen: A un moment ils annonçaient Rennes-Chartres, 270km, sans que ça choque :lol:

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Re: Rumeurs - Tour de France 2018

Messagepar arnaudbzh » 22 Sep 2017, 16:09

et brest est situé beaucoup plus au nord qu'en vrai

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Re: Rumeurs - Tour de France 2018

Messagepar MayodeBain » 22 Sep 2017, 16:11

Svam a écrit:Ah mais comme leur proposition change quotidiennement, ils en ont sorties des dizaines comme ça. :mrgreen: A un moment ils annonçaient Rennes-Chartres, 270km, sans que ça choque :lol:

Peut-être qu'ils voulaient parler de Chartres de Bretagne, c'est tout de suite moins loin :mrgreen:

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Re: Rumeurs - Tour de France 2018

Messagepar Thibaut » 22 Sep 2017, 19:16

Non mais Vielha c'est LE fantasme du dernier mois qui a pris forme sur Velowire. Sous prétexte qu'il faut à tout prix faire un crochet par l'Espagne. Mais c'est vrai que dans le fond je trouve cela totalement ridicule.

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Re: Rumeurs - Tour de France 2018

Messagepar Nico32 » 22 Sep 2017, 19:34

Thibaut a écrit:Non mais Vielha c'est LE fantasme du dernier mois qui a pris forme sur Velowire. Sous prétexte qu'il faut à tout prix faire un crochet par l'Espagne. Mais c'est vrai que dans le fond je trouve cela totalement ridicule.

Pourquoi il faudrait faire un détour par l'Espagne d'après eux ? :question:

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Re: Rumeurs - Tour de France 2018

Messagepar Barbote » 22 Sep 2017, 19:41

Nico32 a écrit:
Thibaut a écrit:Non mais Vielha c'est LE fantasme du dernier mois qui a pris forme sur Velowire. Sous prétexte qu'il faut à tout prix faire un crochet par l'Espagne. Mais c'est vrai que dans le fond je trouve cela totalement ridicule.

Pourquoi il faudrait faire un détour par l'Espagne d'après eux ? :question:

Les Pyrenees c'est du flou complet, Seul Carcassonne comme depart le 24, Reservations a Pau pour les hotels, c'est tout.

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Re: Rumeurs - Tour de France 2018

Messagepar emmea90 » 22 Sep 2017, 21:24

Dear Svam, what sort of problems do you have with our site and our guys?

We are not trying to provide the official route, nor intended to do it. We are trying to make a route according to the rumors that came out on twitter/facebook on the newspaper websites and so on. Rumors change, route change.

None of us call it "the official 2018 TDF route", because is a route made according to rumors. More rumors/news came, more is likely to be near the final one. I think it's better to try and edit it when other news came out than staying totally out from it. We basically got the whole week one except the Mur de Bretagne stage two weeks before Velowire came out with that.

I think what you wrote about us and our attempts is unrespectful of my work and the work of my staff that searched all the possibile informations (not only about TDF, but also about Giro, that nasdon33 is tracking). As stated, no-one of us intended to present is as "the official route", neither the tracks, mostly only to have the track in the table, randomly tracked, are.

If you prefer to wait until you have a route "100% sure" you have other websites. So sorry if someone intended it as definitive, but probably will be more similar to the final one than every full route that cames out today. I think there should be more respect for people who try to do something than people that simply do nothing and complaining.

Best regards.

EDIT: i forgot one thing about the 270 km transfer. It was clearly illogic, but at the time i don't know what of the two stages were the right one, so i leave both in the route until further clearance.
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Re: Rumeurs - Tour de France 2018

Messagepar bullomaniak » 22 Sep 2017, 21:28

emmea90 a écrit:I think there should be more respect for people who try to do something than people that simply do nothing and complaining.


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Re: Rumeurs - Tour de France 2018

Messagepar rbl85 » 22 Sep 2017, 21:54

POPOPO :moqueur:

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Re: Rumeurs - Tour de France 2018

Messagepar Svam » 22 Sep 2017, 21:57

emmea90 a écrit:Dear Svam, what sort of problems do you have with our site and our guys?

We are not trying to provide the official route, nor intended to do it. We are trying to make a route according to the rumors that came out on twitter/facebook on the newspaper websites and so on. Rumors change, route change.

None of us call it "the official 2018 TDF route", because is a route made according to rumors. More rumors/news came, more is likely to be near the final one. I think it's better to try and edit it when other news came out than staying totally out from it. We basically got the whole week one except the Mur de Bretagne stage two weeks before Velowire came out with that.

I think what you wrote about us and our attempts is unrespectful of my work and the work of my staff that searched all the possibile informations (not only about TDF, but also about Giro, that nasdon33 is tracking). As stated, no-one of us intended to present is as "the official route", neither the tracks, mostly only to have the track in the table, randomly tracked, are.

If you prefer to wait until you have a route "100% sure" you have other websites. So sorry if someone intended it as definitive, but probably will be more similar to the final one than every full route that cames out today. I think there should be more respect for people who try to do something than people that simply do nothing and complaining.

Best regards.

EDIT: i forgot one thing about the 270 km transfer. It was clearly illogic, but at the time i don't know what of the two stages were the right one, so i leave both in the route until further clearance.


Hi,

I'm well aware that your current route is not the real one. For me, it's clear : it's not a rational route, it is a collection of different rumours, from very different weight and often torn to fit in the map. The problem is that your audience doesn't think that and take it for granted. :sarcastic:

One of my problems with your methodology is that you are according too much importance to new rumours/articles than old ones. So, your map changes often radically, even if the new rumour doesn't fit well... In your current map, Lens, Tourmalet and Arette clearly don't fit. And sometimes you just pop rumours out of nothing. Serioulsy : where does Balneario di Panticosa came from ? :shock:

Furthermore, I think that you lack some reflexion about the rumoured town you've selected. For example, Alençon and Vielha are still total rumours... I'm well placed to know that because I'm basically the person who created these rumours ! I was just proposing it as an hypothesis regarding other pieces of information (Alençon is candidate and was well placed on the map, Vielha can be the spain stage that VSD only has referred). Then, a lot of people start to put them in their "pronostic route"... and so you. :noel:

So, when you say that your method is good and present the fastest results, let me laugh because you are basically stoling my first-hand reflexions :lol: And concerning the idea that "I'm just complaining and do nothing", I do the same job as you do... except I put some thoughts and reflexions in it. And I publish regularly these ideas. But you already know that, otherwise you would not be here... checking for some informations for you nextday map. :roll:

Concerning your site, I'm not a big fan of it, but a lot of people here are using it and so, I must pay a tribute to your efforts. :ok:

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Re: Rumeurs - Tour de France 2018

Messagepar Barbote » 23 Sep 2017, 06:22

Svam a écrit:
emmea90 a écrit:Dear Svam, what sort of problems do you have with our site and our guys?

We are not trying to provide the official route, nor intended to do it. We are trying to make a route according to the rumors that came out on twitter/facebook on the newspaper websites and so on. Rumors change, route change.

None of us call it "the official 2018 TDF route", because is a route made according to rumors. More rumors/news came, more is likely to be near the final one. I think it's better to try and edit it when other news came out than staying totally out from it. We basically got the whole week one except the Mur de Bretagne stage two weeks before Velowire came out with that.

I think what you wrote about us and our attempts is unrespectful of my work and the work of my staff that searched all the possibile informations (not only about TDF, but also about Giro, that nasdon33 is tracking). As stated, no-one of us intended to present is as "the official route", neither the tracks, mostly only to have the track in the table, randomly tracked, are.

If you prefer to wait until you have a route "100% sure" you have other websites. So sorry if someone intended it as definitive, but probably will be more similar to the final one than every full route that cames out today. I think there should be more respect for people who try to do something than people that simply do nothing and complaining.

Best regards.

EDIT: i forgot one thing about the 270 km transfer. It was clearly illogic, but at the time i don't know what of the two stages were the right one, so i leave both in the route until further clearance.


Hi,

I'm well aware that your current route is not the real one. For me, it's clear : it's not a rational route, it is a collection of different rumours, from very different weight and often torn to fit in the map. The problem is that your audience doesn't think that and take it for granted. :sarcastic:

One of my problems with your methodology is that you are according too much importance to new rumours/articles than old ones. So, your map changes often radically, even if the new rumour doesn't fit well... In your current map, Lens, Tourmalet and Arette clearly don't fit. And sometimes you just pop rumours out of nothing. Serioulsy : where does Balneario di Panticosa came from ? :shock:

Furthermore, I think that you lack some reflexion about the rumoured town you've selected. For example, Alençon and Vielha are still total rumours... I'm well placed to know that because I'm basically the person who created these rumours ! I was just proposing it as an hypothesis regarding other pieces of information (Alençon is candidate and was well placed on the map, Vielha can be the spain stage that VSD only has referred). Then, a lot of people start to put them in their "pronostic route"... and so you. :noel:

So, when you say that your method is good and present the fastest results, let me laugh because you are basically stoling my first-hand reflexions :lol: And concerning the idea that "I'm just complaining and do nothing", I do the same job as you do... except I put some thoughts and reflexions in it. And I publish regularly these ideas. But you already know that, otherwise you would not be here... checking for some informations for you nextday map. :roll:

Concerning your site, I'm not a big fan of it, but a lot of people here are using it and so, I must pay a tribute to your efforts. :ok:
I think you two agree that both websites are supposed to be a laboratory. People complain about Velowire that serious rumours (bases on multiple sources) are not represented enough in the recent article by Thomas Vergouwen. But Thomas is patient and knows he can make it work on 16 October, and usually does. This site, on the other hand, is perfect for constructing possible route schemes.

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Re: Rumeurs - Tour de France 2018

Messagepar bullomaniak » 24 Sep 2017, 07:59

Au fait, ça sort d'où cette rumeur d'arrivée au Tourmalet ?

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Re: Rumeurs - Tour de France 2018

Messagepar Ninofishing » 24 Sep 2017, 09:05

bullomaniak a écrit:Au fait, ça sort d'où cette rumeur d'arrivée au Tourmalet ?

La première fois que j'ai entendu ça c'est dans les "Indiscrezioni" de Beppe Conti. Mais rien dans les médias fr il me semble.

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Re: Rumeurs - Tour de France 2018

Messagepar Thibaut » 24 Sep 2017, 09:08

bullomaniak a écrit:Au fait, ça sort d'où cette rumeur d'arrivée au Tourmalet ?

Velowire :mrgreen: .

Non, plus sérieusement, on se doute que le Tourmalet sera emprunté : https://presselib.com/attendant-lofficialisation-parcours-2018-chose-sure-pyrenees-joueront-role-decisif-larrivee-champs-elysees-quelques-pistes/
Mais je crois que la rumeur parlant d'une arrivée au sommet (ou quelquechose approchant) vient d'un site italien (Savona News ?
ou l'article de Beppe Conti ?) qui parlait de quatre étapes pyrénéennes avec, en point d'orgue, une arrivée au Tourmalet. Cela doit pouvoir se retrouver.

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Re: Rumeurs - Tour de France 2018

Messagepar wawan » 25 Sep 2017, 11:03

On vient de me transmettre une rumeur comme quoi l'étape du tour serait Annecy - Le Grand Bornand (c'est leinhart qui va être content :mrgreen: ). La personne qui m'a transmis cette rumeurs fait très confiance à sa source, source qui me semble crédible même si j'ai promis de ne pas la dévoiler :oops:

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Re: Rumeurs - Tour de France 2018

Messagepar rbl85 » 25 Sep 2017, 11:44

wawan a écrit:On vient de me transmettre une rumeur comme quoi l'étape du tour serait Annecy - Le Grand Bornand (c'est leinhart qui va être content :mrgreen: ). La personne qui m'a transmis cette rumeurs fait très confiance à sa source, source qui me semble crédible même si j'ai promis de ne pas la dévoiler :oops:


Nous avons les moyens de vous faire parler !!!

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Re: Rumeurs - Tour de France 2018

Messagepar Trifon_Ivanov » 25 Sep 2017, 11:54

Cool, on va revoir Romme-Colombière.

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Re: Rumeurs - Tour de France 2018

Messagepar rbl85 » 25 Sep 2017, 11:57

L'étape va être bien courte de coup non?

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Re: Rumeurs - Tour de France 2018

Messagepar Umb » 25 Sep 2017, 12:10

rbl85 a écrit:L'étape va être bien courte de coup non?


Que ce soit par la Roche-sur-Foron ou par les Glières (??) avec Romme-Colombière et descente au Grand-Bo pour finir, ça fait 90-100 bornes.

Donc il faudrait autre chose avant ?

Sinon par la Croix-Fry-Aravis-Sallanches-Romme-Colombière on se rapproche des 120-130 km ce qui collerait à une étape format sprint et à l'Etape du Tour (quitte à aller chercher un petit col ou des côtes en plus s'il faut ajouter un peu de km ou de D+)

Mais c'est très (trop ?) classique quoi

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